Posts by Half banana

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Is the org. Laying the groundwork for no earthly paradise?

by nowwhat? in

in stephen letts annual meeting talk he spent about 15min.

talking about how the garden of eden compares to our spiritual paradise that we are currently inhabiting.

he didn't mention the earthly paradise until the very last sentence.

Half banana

Good point nowhat? I have felt for some years that they might end up doing this very thing saying that the paradise is really the 'spiritual paradise' among the brothers (some paradise!)

The Sunday Watchtower study will say: Brothers you may be forgiven for being so worldly in hoping for a material paradise but you are forgiven! It would be the excuse, yes excuse that the JW promises of a literal paradise were so very wrong and misleading but new light cannot be ignored. (vomit)

However only the most deluded-- and by George there are many delusional Jehovah's Witnesses-- will actually lap it up. The rest, the majority would leave. End of cult.

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Elders encouraging young ones to live in a fairy tale

by Addison0998 in

so one of the elders at the meeting tonight addressed to parents in his talk, “if your child wants to flip burgers for the rest of their life, because that’s is the only job that will allow them to have a schedule for full time service, you would want to support them the best you can.” he has also said told parents that if their children already have plans to go to college, even in the near future, they should try to do everything to stop them.

there’s so much ranting i could do about that alone, but to make matters worse, this is a considerably well off man.

he has his own buisness, a nice house with an additional room he added on last year, and him and his wife just took a lavish european trip.

Half banana

Phoebe notice how it was those who were conscientious JWs who have come off the worst............

Those halfhearted ones who hedged their bets and got educated and a good job or a pension were ok.

Of course the governing body have all they need in this life and as my non-JW mother used to say sardonically when in a good situation, "all this and heaven too!"

The GB have a lot to answer for -- don't ever listen to them.

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How Religious Fundamentalism Hijacks The Brain- Psychology Today

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201810/how-religious-fundamentalism-hijacks-the-brain.

in moderation, religious and spiritual practices can be great for a person’s life and mental well-being.

but religious fundamentalism—which refers to the belief in the absolute authority of a religious text or leaders—is almost never good for an individual.

Half banana

The only ones who can't appreciate what fundamentalism is are those taken hostage by it. It's like a lobotomy, very difficult to reverse.

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Watchtower's 49 Date Failures Mostly Ditched Without Fanfare

by FatFreek 2005 in

watchtower's apparent obsession with calendar dates is legendary.

what follow's are snippets from the main article.

link will follow.. .

Half banana

A really good list FF. Jesus got it wrong in the first century and Jehovah's Witnesses imagining that the Bible is prophetic, always get it wrong, There is no such thing as "God's kingdom" its just a marketing ploy for Christian religions.

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Elders encouraging young ones to live in a fairy tale

by Addison0998 in

so one of the elders at the meeting tonight addressed to parents in his talk, “if your child wants to flip burgers for the rest of their life, because that’s is the only job that will allow them to have a schedule for full time service, you would want to support them the best you can.” he has also said told parents that if their children already have plans to go to college, even in the near future, they should try to do everything to stop them.

there’s so much ranting i could do about that alone, but to make matters worse, this is a considerably well off man.

he has his own buisness, a nice house with an additional room he added on last year, and him and his wife just took a lavish european trip.

Half banana

To be a JW means to give up your own thinking, which is a desperately bad idea by anyone's standards.

Instead of rational thought you are obliged to receive the thinking of a cult which covers over the bald fact that its predictions of the "time of the end" have always been wrong and always will be wrong. There is no such thing as the time of the end, it is one of the fictions implanted in he brains of unthinking JWs to create both hope and anxious dependence on the governing body.

The reasonable thing to do is to escape the cult compound with its fairy tale mentality as soon as possible and make up for the mistake of being a JW by getting a college education.

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Hello

by Hendrixgrip in

hi, this is my long overdue introduction.

i’ve been visiting this site since probably around 2011. in that time, i’ve taken a lot from these discussions and never contributed anything.

i’m not sure that i have much to contribute these days because i just don’t pay too much attention to wt land.

Half banana

Welcome to the site as a poster Hendrixgrip you are most welcome here!

Looking at the references in the older publications (which you have kindly supplied) just demonstrates how fragile if not foolish was the basis for their portentous claims.

The JW belief system is a house of cards. . .

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The 24 Prophetic Failures of Watchtower's Most Heralded Date, 1914

by FatFreek 2005 in

the year 1914 would be disappointing.

perhaps even more so than the great disappointment which happened some 70 years earlier at the hands of a a baptist preacher, william miller.

it placed target years of 1843 -- 1844 on the map of popularity.

Half banana

It's interesting to get a new insight from your quotations FF: so Armageddon according to the Watchtower and Russell had begun in 1874 and was to finish by 1914. History has however proved all JW predictions wrong.

The fact of the matter is that the organisation which is now called JW org but in 1914 was under CT Russell's direction, believed that the year 1914 was the date by which the full influence of God's kingdom would take effect on Earth, i.e.paradise in the absence of God's enemies, this having already begun in the heavens in 1874.

The laughable thing is that the exact opposite happened; instead of world-wide peace in 1914, the First World War began. The modern Watchtower spin on the events of that time is pure deceiving claptrap.

JW leadership are masters at reinventing their past. Actually to tell the faithful today that they got 1914 right --as they do-- is an out and out falsehood-- but they have no conscience.

The JW governing body are so thoroughly deluded and arrogant that they think they have a divine right to lie, it's little wonder they want all of their old literature burned.

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How Religious Fundamentalism Hijacks The Brain- Psychology Today

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201810/how-religious-fundamentalism-hijacks-the-brain.

in moderation, religious and spiritual practices can be great for a person’s life and mental well-being.

but religious fundamentalism—which refers to the belief in the absolute authority of a religious text or leaders—is almost never good for an individual.

Half banana

Why are you preaching to us Newtonian? We already know the Bible here. (We welcome you nevertheless!)

No one is going to disagree with showing love but belief in God is not a necessary ingredient to show love for our fellow man.

It is demeaning to imagine we need instruction especially, JW instruction, from the conflicted and ancient Bible to be able to live a good life.

Lastly how can you prove the statement "God is love" when there is no tangible, testable, provable evidence for his existence? This fatuous line God is love, has no more weight than me saying my cat is love and you can only show love if you know my cat. The Bible here is saying that only lovers of God can show love; this is irrational and should be dismissed. Do try critical thinking for a change.

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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

by Earthmeasured in

sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

Half banana

On this website members live on different longitudes. Some are getting up as others are going to bed. In Europe and South Africa the time now is around 10 or 11 pm. in the USA and Canada it is between five and eight hours earlier in the same day, In India and the far east it is already tomorrow, in Australasia late morning.

How on earth can this demonstration of the spherical and spinning nature of the planet be contradicted?

Except for the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses exist, it is hard to believe that other people hold even more bizarre ideas.

There are many good explanations on the internet of Eratosthenes' method of calculating the diameter of the Earth.

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Flat Earth and Jw. Not possible?

by Earthmeasured in

sorry for my poor english, i hope to make not too many mistakes.

im a jw and in the last three years i have studied a lot the topic of the earth being flat.

i have a good scientific background so im not stupid or crazy.

Half banana

Mr geometer, indeed the Bible does use the Hebrew word ball or sphere (dur or duwr) as at Isaiah 22;18 but not for the Earth where as we are all aware it is described as a circle. This is not divinely inspired but like most of the Bible, it's a reflection of the thinking of the time period. People's view of the world in the 6th century BC was of a glass-like heavenly dome covering a flat Earth as poetically interpreted in Isaiah 40,22 using the Hebrew word chug meaning circle. Dur can also mean circle but chug cannot mean (to my knowledge) a sphere.

The ancient Greeks using measurements, later determined not only that the Earth was a sphere but also measured the size of the planet. Towards the end of the 2nd century BC Eratosthenes of Alexandria determined the diameter of the globe by logical analysis of the angle of the sun simultaneously in two locations at a known distance apart.

However if you still place the words of the Bible above either common sense or scientific evidence, then I'm afraid there is little hope for you ever understanding anything.

The Bible is not reliable for facts it is an ancient STORYBOOK and bears all the evidence of human authorship.